The Perfect One !

1 Corinthians 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

To my knowledge there has only been one that was perfect, that being Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

That being said, most of the “Church” today certainly looks for ALL who are in the Body to be perfect. There seems to be little room for error, especially when it comes to the use of Scripture, prophecy, or doctrine. Now I am NOT advocating a “just do as you please”, “every man doing what is right in his own eyes” type of belief. To be honest, that is what has gotten a lot of the Body in the shape it is in already. Everything that we do and say should be measured against God’s plumb-line and until Jesus comes back, that plumb-line is HIS Holy Word.

Part of the problem, however is how mankind has built his own kind of doctrine and beliefs based own his own knowledge or interpretation of God’s Word. Let’s take a look at that scripture again in the context of which it is written.

1 Corinthians 13:9-11 (King James Version)

   9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
There is not a man on earth today that has FULL revelation of God and the Perfect One, Jesus Christ. We only “Know in part”! It is totally unrealistic to hold any human to the test of perfection. We can NOT excuse things that are not of God and those things have to measure up against the Whole Counsel of God which for right now at least, has to be HIS written Word.
There in gets us back to the original issue of whose doctrine do you believe, when this church says this and this church says that. That is why we have to have the Full Five Fold ministry of Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher, to guide us and equip us with the FULL Gospel of the Kingdom of God.  

Ephesians 4 :1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,  2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;  3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;  5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,  6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.  7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

 8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. {he is Jesus}

 9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?  10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 

[ If He gave those Gifts to the Body, Why does the Body at large, reject those Gifts that He felt we needed then and still do today?] 

 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, [we ain’t there yet folks] and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

[ we certainly ain’t there!!!! ] excuse the slang word 

14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;  15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:  16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.  17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

 18Having the understanding darkened,  [knowing in part] being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:  19Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

NO WHERE in scripture is it, that we are to rely on part of the Gifts that God gave us through Jesus. Based on The above scripture, those gifts should be in place until Jesus’ return!!
Now back to why I am given to post this particular blog.
There are those in the various “churches”,”denominations”, “movements etc., that seem to believe that they have “The Church” revelation “down pat”. That is why there is so much strife in the Body today. It is literally being ripped apart by what could only be termed as “intolerance”. Intolerance is rooted in prejudice and always separates rather than bring harmony. Intolerance is rooted in ignorance, which causes fear of the unknown, forgetting the fact that NO ONE has FULL KNOWLEDGE of God at this point in history. Intolerance works best in a “closed mind”, which is rooted in an unteachable spirit. Intolerance won’t listen to reason or see outside of what it knows, which there again is only in PART. Intolerance will take God’s Holy Word and use it against God’s own people! Intolerance creates an atmosphere of “Holier than Thou” and says that it is “my way or no way”, even trying to pass it off as God’s Way, though his heart gives him away. Intolerance wants the “God of Mercy” for himself, but the “God of Judgement” for someone else. Intolerance looks for the wrong with others, without examining his own heart. REMEMBER THIS KEY THING!!!!!
God always looks at the heart of man, for in it is the true side of man found!!!

The Bible is full of people that God used in mighty and varied ways. Yet many of these same people made mistakes along the way. BUT, God didn’t discard them !! It is a shame that so many of God’s servants  are getting “beat up” on, or “stoned” if you will, because of intolerance!

If a person has been called by God to be a Prophet, as in the office of Prophet, then they should walk in the fullness of that and that includes being held accountable for their “words” that they deliver, when they are giving a “Thus saith The Lord” type of message. If they are giving specific dates and times, they should be held accountable for those things as a representative of God. When these things don’t come to be as spoken, then we should judge them according to God’s plumb-line.

 We should not get caught in the trap of judging the “word” spoken, by looking at the person giving it. Balaam was a prophet of God, whom even kings recognized the fact that he would only speak what God said and not what they wanted to hear [ so much for the “feel good” NT prophecy of today’s prophets]. That being said though, Balaam fell into the lust for money later. David himself of course was known as a ” Man after God’s own heart”, yet fell into the sin of murder and adultery. Samson broke his covenant with God, by breaking his Nazerite Vow, YET, the God of Mercy, The God of Second Chances, still used these men and many others to complete the task at hand. God is Sovereign and can and will do as He sees fit to do. He has the final say in ALL these issues. He will use whomever He wants to use,whether man would use them or not. Who is man that he should say who should be used as a messenger of God or not. “For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God” and not one of us are in a position to cast “stones” at someone who may have missed what he or she is saying, remembering that “we know in part” and “that which is perfect” {Jesus} has not come back yet. 

 The Gift of Prophecy is not a controlled thing in that the TRUE prophecy comes from God, and “He is not a man that He should lie”. This should be the measure for a “Thus saith The Lord”. BUT, Paul tells us in the verse above that we “prophecy in part“. This clearly indicates that when one is speaking a “word”  that is not a “Thus saith The Lord”, then that “word” is given in “part” because of the “know{ledge} in part”. It is best to keep that “word” silent and let it be judged by the “witness of others” because “prophecy is subject” [or can be kept] to those who are able to judge it. Once that “word”  is found to fit the criteria of “edifying the Saints”, then let it come forth.

 One would do well to remember that there is a difference between “conviction” and “condemnation”. “Conviction” may come in the form of a word that may make a person examine his heart and then to turn away from the wrong in their life. “Condemnation” rarely makes someone examine his heart for the good in it, but makes him focus on the wrong in it and usually doesn’t do any good. “Intolerance” sees the sin, while the Agape Love of God sees the person and knows their heart. “Intolerance” condemns, while “conviction” leads one to the Saving Grace of God!!

When that which is perfect, Jesus Christ, does return, will he find a body that is beaten and battered by persecution from the enemy or a “self-mutilated” body, weary from the inward desires of man?

Even so, Come quickly Lord Jesus, Come!!!



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6 responses to “The Perfect One !

  1. Ian Wlilliams

    I hear what you are saying, and I am sure that your intent was “good”, but my heart was moved to write thus. Please weigh this by the Spirit of Grace.

    There is a burgeoning revelation and awareness of God’s Word which is reacquainting believers with the person of Jesus Christ in a way which has been largely obscured and obfuscated by religious tradition for centuries. There is a persistent and annoying obsession with the bible as being the fourth person of theGodhead, and it must be said that unless this is broken in people’s lives, they will persist in a form of darkness which denies the Truth – however to say it lawfully – that is according to the Law of Life in Christ Jesus (that we should love one another as He first loved us) – requires MATURITY.

    The Bible is a record of God’s dealings with man, and noted in it is the fact that there would not be books enough in the world to recount the acts/works of Jesus. It does not say that in the beginning was the Bible and the Bible was with God – but in the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOD. OK, so the Bible is not God, the WORD is GOD, but to many erstwhile believers, the Bible is God, and herein lays a fatal flaw. Unless the Spirit of God breathes upon the scriptures, they are dead letters. The natural man can no more understand the things of the Spirit than a cat can understand the evening news. We have to have the Mind of Christ, and thanks be to God who has given us this, according to 1 Corinthians 2.

    The problem with understanding is that if it is borrowed, or theological, it is largely in vain. Theology is like a microbe looking back up a microscope, trying to understand the eye at the other end. If one looks at the Bible from the knowledge of good and evil, from before the cross, according to the Law of sin and death (the Mosaic Law), it is totally and 180 degrees opposed to the view from the throne of grace. Revelation is a remembering of the beginning, of when we were created in God, before the foundations of the worlds. It is a RE-MEMBER-ING – we are again made to be members of a whole. The knowledge of sin brings the awareness of a God shaped hole; the knowledge of righteousness brings the awareness of a GOD SHAPED WHOLE!

    Now, consider this translation from the Ancient Aramaic scriptures of 1 Corinthians 13. I believe that is far more accurate and represents the intent of God much more so than the King James or its derivatives. If you do not understand the circumstances by which the King James (or AV) came into being, then it is wise to ask the Spirit of Grace to teach you on this wise. It has numerous errors in it, and ironically, the most accurate translational effort in it is Galatians, which speaks volumes about the whole situation – if you have ears to hear and eyes to see. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you? Having begun in the Spirit, are you made perfect in the flesh?

    1. If I speak in every human language and that of the angels, and yet I have no love in me, it is as though I were like bronze that reverberates or cymbals that make noise.
    2. And if there is in me prophesy and I know all the sermons and have all knowledge, and if there was in me all the faith, whereas I could move a mountain, and yet there was no love in me, I would be nothing.
    3. And if I fed everything to the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, and yet there was no love in me, I would again be nothing.
    4. Love transforms the spirit and fulfills it. Love is not bigoted. Love does not burden, nor curry favor.
    5. And [love] does not set conditions and does not act selfishly, and it does not find fault (stare at evil),
    6. And [love] does not rejoice in abomination, except delights in sincerity.
    7. [Love] ministers to everything, trusts in everything, wherever there is hope, wherever there is sacrifice.
    8. Love never fails. For prophesy comes to pass (is voided), and tongues are silenced, and knowledge comes to naught.
    9. For we learn so little of the whole [picture] and prophesy so little of the whole [matter.]
    10. When maturity comes, however, then that little part becomes insignificant.
    11. When you were a boy, you spoke as a boy and you perceived as a boy, and you thought as a boy. Then when you became a man, you set aside childish things.
    12. Now, however, we see as in a vision, like a reflection, where we stand face to face with ourselves. Now we know the small from the great, whereas now I know what you know.
    13. These three [things] are what binds us together: faith, hope and love. The greater of which is love.

    The rub with the AV is that it puts perfection/maturity/completeness off until a later time, or represents it as being unattainable on earth, but this is not so; it is a lie of the devil! Why would Paul say in Ephesians that the gifts given to Man were until we all come to the knowledge4 of a mature/perfect/complete/shalom man, lacking nothing? Why did Jesus say, “Be ye therefore perfect/mature/lacking nothing, even as your Father in heaven is perfect/mature/lacking nothing”? You/we/all of us have been ripped off by our religion! We have been robbed of the fullness of Christ! You have been made to wait for hat is already yours in Christ! The church has sold out in two directions – to the world in all is wormy attempts at self-fulfillment, at self-improvement, at resurrecting the worm/serpent and breathing New Life into it and trying to reform the flesh and the mind according to worldly wisdom, a la Doctor Phil; and it has sold out in the other direction to Catholicism/Judaism and its stultifying, stupefying worship of men and the systems of men.

    The “Word of God”, as expressed in the Aramaic, which was the language of Jesus, is “Milta”, meaning express essence or character, and having no direct English equivalent, the nearest being “Manifestation”, is a person, it is the Person of Jesus Christ, the Eternal God made Manifest amongst us. For goodness sakes, let us stop trying to make new rules for old fools, and stop trying to (re)define the problem of what is wrong with the church and each other, and simply press into Jesus and ask Him to reveal Himself and the Father as they really are. Don’t search the scriptures looking for Jesus, look to Jesus first and then He will lead you to understanding, and will walk the Emmaus Road with you and explain al!. And do yourselves a favor and get a copy of Victor Alexander’s Aramaic Translation – the VA version, and compare it with the AV version!

    Shalom and Aa-meen!

  2. lbolm

    Brother Ian,
    Thanks for your beautiful reply to this most frustrating thing. You actually are saying some of the same things I tried to say in my pea-brained way.
    I got a picture of the written Word one time in this way.
    God the Father spoke it into man. [ rhema ]
    Man writes it down as a record of God’s ways, thoughts, and as a sort of history of mankind. [ logos ]
    When man reads it in the natural mind, it remains logos. BUT, when man gets it in the Spirit [ an AH thats what it means moment ] it becomes rhema again, thus revealing the original intent of what God was speaking in the first place.
    Reading scripture without receiving revelation of the original intent of the message is no more than reading a good history book.

    My main point from the post wasn’t about scripture as much as it was about how man has relegated his knowledge of God to only what is in the scripture and therefore making God a far away entity. Man then bases everything soley on mans partial knowledge of God, because he limits God to only what the scriptures say. He then tries to judge others by what his limited knowledge of God is, forgetting the fact that he doesn’t have the whole picture, because he is limiting what he is open to receive from God.

    Love in Christ Jesus

  3. Ian Wlilliams

    Yeah, I hear you. I am passionate about many things, especially the way in which tradition has marginalized, minimized and rendered impotent so many of God’s people, binding up heavy burdens to stop them entering in to rest. One of my favorite promises in 1 Corinthians 2.

    10. To us, however, God revealed it through His Spirit, for the Spirit can fathom anything, even the depths of God.
    11. For which human being knows what it is to be human, if it were not for the human spirit within them. Likewise no human being knows about God, except for the Spirit of God.
    12. We, however, did not receive the spirit of the world, except [we received] the Spirit from God, in order that we may know the endowment we received from God.

    13. Even these things that we speak, are not through the knowledge of words, by human wisdom, except through the enlightenment of the Spirit, and regarding spirits we have contemplated spiritually.
    14. For the human being is a lone soul and [human beings] cannot receive that which is spiritual, for that causes contention in them, and they cannot comprehend how to judge the spiritual.
    15. The holy Spirit, however, judges everything, and He cannot be judged by any human being.
    16. For who understands the Lord’s perception, so as to teach Him? We, however, have Christ’s perception. (We HAVE – past tense – the Mind of Christ – we have His senses – if we will only relinquish our own!)

    So much of religious tradition is designed to contain children in the confines of carnal consciousness – preventing them from becoming mature believers, but all the whole pretending to fulfill the 5 fold mandate to bring them to maturity. This makes me wrath with indignation! Jesus came to set the captives free, yet so many who promise freedom are themselves slaves who use twisted scripture to enslave. I have spent a large portion of my life un-learning to get freed from human consciousness and to come into the reality and freedom of God’s consciousness – being stripped of my humanity so that I might take on His divinity – to put on Christ.

    I am very wary of any manner of Pharseeism – theology – dogmatism etc, as well as all forms of mysticism. I think that the answer is so simple – seek the Lord with all your heart, but it takes a coming to the end of yourself to do this. There is also the leading factor, in that no man comes to God unless he is first drawn. I see things in the Spirit sometimes which I find difficult to utter and all I can do is simply blurt out in another tongue in amazement. It is not lawful at times to utter these things – in that to do so would contradict the cardinal Law of the universe – that we should love one another as He first loved us, and that all our actions and reactions should be predicated upon this one SIMPLE prerequisite – this ONE commandment of the New Covenant. To say some things at times according to knowledge is simply a pride action and causes offense, and learning to manifest the submission which Jesus did and be able to address the Pharisees as a brood of vipers WITHOUT BREAKING THE CARDINAL LAW is a sign of maturity – be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect – be perfect in LOVE.

    I am convinced that the church has done a very effective job of putting off salvation and making it conditional on works – the King James has got such a sense of works imbued in it by the translators, who in turn were leavened with the leaven of the Pharisees. I only know all this stuff because Jesus once rebuked me for my own hypocrisy and told me that I was a Pharisee – so I repented in my heart and asked that He should teach me how to serve Him properly and according to His Way.

    The more I see, the more I realize that Churchianity is riddled with conditionality, respect of men (partiality) and its attendant favoritism, hypocrisy, hatefulness and is under its own judgment according to Romans 2. It exalts the bible as the word of God and then twists it interminably to reinforce its own prejudice – just as it was in Jesus’ day. He will not wink at this forever and there is a reformation coming that is going to be so confronting and powerful, but it will be preceded by a societal melt-down of unprecedented proportions.

    God showed me all this many years ago in a vision, and has confirmed it by many other visions and revelations. We need to become divorced from this world and from Babylon, if we really want to serve him as He must be served – if we want to be a vessel to honor – that is a vessel TO honor – a container of His glory. His is the honor and the holiness and we are the vessel of the righteousness which He is, and when He comes in He converts us. So much of church is about making a better standard of citizen, who by the way is a better contributor.

    It is like this, we have an American lady in our street that is very environmentally aware. She is a product of her culture – Christianized but not obviously Christian – she leads her husband by a ring in his nose and rules her household. She has a very tidy home and is a busy body control freak of unprecedented proportions – believe me, I know – that used to be me and I can so easily revert. Across the road, at the end of our small street is a hovel, a house which makes the whole street look bad. It is not actually on our street, but as you come out, there it is. A lady (solo mother) bought the house and began to try and tidy it up, but it looked even worse, I felt compassion for her situation and prayed that God would send her helpers to tidy it up – but all the while I had a sneaking sense that perhaps my concern was more about how her hovel made the street look.

    Anyway, enter the control freak and she took over and organized a yard sale to raise funds for the new fence and landscaping. Prior to this happening, I was moved by the Lord to offer her a porch from our house (which we are renovating). I wanted to sell it as it cost me a bunch 5 years ago, but is now surplus to requirements, but I felt the Lord ask me to offer it to her. Now somewhere in the midst of all this muddling and meddling and “enlightened self interest”, the Lord’s work is being done, but I cannot help but think that the meddlers are more concerned about how their street looks and their property values reflect that than any real compassion and I had to search my own heart to see that my motives were true. (The thing which I offered her will be at the back of the house where it will be largely unseen.)

    This is why we must look very closely to our compulsions, motivations and means. American Churchianity is so much about making the world a better place for Americans – hence Dominionist, Purpose Driven theology and the desire to win the world for (the American) Jesus – when Jesus has already won the world to Himself, and now he waits until His enemies be consecrated as the rug under His feet – and the last enemy is death. The Lord once showed me a vision of the small c church as a brood of vipers, and our recent acquisition of a worm farm has taught me much about how believers are contained, restrained and fed with garbage which keeps the worms alive.

    Some years back, I did something which offended a pastor type person – and when he snapped at me I saw a serpent uncoil and come up out of his belly and out his mouth and strike me. I felt the poison of this Pharisee spirit render me impotent and leave me confused and amazed. We are only ever a victim to that which we are also disposed – if a man keeps himself, the evil one touches him not. We are to reckon the worm dead – to reckon the serpent dead – to see that Jesus became a worm for us (Ps 22) and a serpent on a pole, so that we may fix our gaze upon Him and be healed of the serpent strikes we have gotten in the wilderness of our own disobedience – our own journeying to the Promise. Let us not be a bunch of worm farmers, controlling environments and breeding a better class of worm by feeding them our garbage – let us instead learn to speak as it were, the Oracles of God.

  4. craig b

    I think your post is summed up by one of the very few commands Christ gave us, “Love one another”

    There are two extremes we have to be careful of.

    1.) Making the Bible into a legalistic book that we have to follow every letter by the law – this leads to terrible legalism.

    2.) Taring and feathering every theologian with the brush of legalism

    Ian I would also disagree with your proposal that the main language of Jesus was Aramaic. The Jews had been conquered by the Greeks and the Romans for nearly 400 years leading up to the birth of Christ and the common language spoken was Greek or Latin.
    Also the original Scriptures were written in Greek and a few latter ones in Aramaic.

    We need to have a experience of the Holy Spirit changing our lives, leading our lives, guiding our lives and at the same time allowing the Scriptures to inform our ways and our thinking about the Trinity.

    BTW Jake, I like your blog, thanks for the comment you made on mine, I had a little trouble finding yours, for the L was missing from your sig,

    Blessings craig b

  5. Ian Williams

    Hi Craig, et al, I am sure that as Jesus was the Manifestation of God, the Word made flesh that He would be more than capable of speaking any language which he chose to. As I am given to understand it, Greek & Latin were the languages of commerce and administration, while Hebraic Aramaic was and did remain the scribal language – the sacred tongue. Greek is the language of philosophy, while Aramaic is a language of Spirit, and this is why I feel that it speaks from a deeper place, and why the last words Jesus uttered at Calvary were Aramaic.

    As to the Trinity, I came into Christianity without the dubious benefit of indoctrination, so it was all kind of weird and new to me, such that when I first really began to seek understanding, I found that the answers I was offered did not seem to witness with my spirit. The Ancient of Days had come into my living room in the Shekinnah glory and healed me, I had experienced all sorts of “out there” spiritual experiences, but when I got to church it all seemed so limp and powerless and fractionalised. I had so many voices trying to tell me what God was like and how He operated that I simply went to Him and asked Him how and who He was, and in a clear blue sky, He gave me an open vision of how He is. There appeared an equilateral triangle, glowing with radiant glory, with the word GOD in the centre, and in the upper point, FATHER, the lower right WORD and the lower left SPIRIT.

    The triangle began to move in the direction of WORD, as the invasive point (I heard or sensed this word “invasive” in my spirit) and I understood that the totality of God was behind the invasive point. Then it moved as SPIRIT, and the same sense of invasive, pervasiveness. Over the subsequent years, God added to this vision as He explained to me the difference between TRIUNITY and TRINITY – and if you take the “U” out of TRIUNITY, you get a doctrine of sin consciousness which separates man and God and is part and parcel of that “put it off until you die” thing which I was questioning – the concept that perfection comes post mortem, or that because only Jesus is perfect that we cannot become perfect – EVEN THOUGH HE SAID THAT WE SHOULD BE PERFECT EVEN AS THE FATHER IS PERFECT.

    He would also tell me at this time that He was LOVE and He was LIGHT and in Him there was NO DARKNESS or shadow of turning, and there was no contradiction in Him, and that anything which seemed contradictory was in my understanding, and that if I kept to these tenants of faith that I would not err far from the Truth.

    The vision became much more complete when the Holy Spirit challenged me to seek understanding of the seven Spirits of God, and I did so by the most extraordinary confluence of events. The understanding of the schematic which He showed me blasts conventional orthodoxy into bits and shatters the concept of the Trinity as some sort of triumvirate of persons, a Greco/Roman style pantheonistic Godhead. The clue is really so simple and is as usual, right in front of our noses, especially if one looks in the mirror, in that we are made in his image and likeness, and Jesus prayed that we be ONE, even as the Father and He were ONE.

    Now, if you have never heard the Father speak from your own heart, or the Holy Spirit from your Holy of Holies, or the Word speak from your own renewed mind, then what I am talking about will be a mystery, but if you have ever yearned to know what the key is to escape the awful prison of religious orthodoxy is, then ask Jesus ill all earnestness to show you. Ask Him if you really know Him as He really is, or if your just think that you know Him – be prepared to have your Bible-only-in Tower shattered by the invasion of His Spirit, as His strong tower crushes yours into oblivion.

    Nothing will rob you of the reality of God like Orthodoxy. I challenge anyone to conclusively show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus paid the price for our sin to balance the scales of God’s justice. Jesus bore the burden of our guilt and shame because He is the Author of Salvation and the God of All Creation – it was and still is His responsibility! You are responsible for your own conscience, and you get to choose between the consciousness of sin, which is the Old, fallen, serpent nature and the consciousness of righteousness, which is the New nature, which is from heaven, which is from the beginning of Creation.

    The Pharisees, trying to catch Jesus out by His words, asked what was the greatest commandment. He replied that first is to love God with all you being, and the second, WHICH IS JUST LIKE IT, is to love your neighbour (your closest friend) AS YOURSELF, and upon these hang ALL THE LAW and THE PROPHETS, (which existed or prevailed until John). BUT to His OWN DISCIPLES, Jesus gave ONE COMMANDMENT – that we should love one to another as He first (from the beginning, or originally) loved us. A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, yet not “new” but that which was from the beginning! This is the mystery, Christ in you, that Satan fashioned orthodoxy to keep you from understanding, and the blinded hypocrisy of Pharisaic theology was his principle tool, and the idolatrised human mind his workshop.

    Nicodemus, don’t you know that you must be born from above?

    Zechariah 3:9 Amplified
    For behold, upon the stone which I have set before Joshua, upon that one stone are seven eyes or facets [the all-embracing providence of God and the sevenfold radiations of the Spirit of God]. Behold, I will carve upon it its inscription, says the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity and guilt of this land in a single day.

    If you want to know how this is, please contact me with a fax number or email and I will send you the image.

  6. Chris

    Interesting comments here. Great post by the way.

    I think people can be Christian and be immature. They forget about the spirit and are stuck as a child. They ignore the Holy Spirit promptings and remain at a stalemate. Having occasional moments of “WOW!”. But God still uses them. To judge other people (Christians or not) is beyond the scope of our call.

    I think Ian overstepped his call by criticizing members of the kingdom. We need to stay focused on Christ and reaching those that are lost. If we stay focused on God, He will put people near us that we can reach.

    In Christ,

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